If you read his book (which is great and I highly recommend), it seems like he really seems to play down a lot of gender splits like this in his results summarizations, likely because they're the ones that engender the most pushback and cultural outrage, with India being a particular example.
If you read his book (which is great and I highly recommend), it seems like he really seems to play down a lot of gender splits like this in his results summarizations, likely because they're the ones that engender the most pushback and cultural outrage, with India being a particular example.
But I agree, I think the per-gender splits are the most interesting part, because it definitely seems the median case is Y chromosome replacement - some group of men with better technology and / or a better war cultural package roll in and slaughter all the men and breed with all the remaining women.
I particularly wish he'd gone more into some of the evidence around him saying there's signs of groups of women migrating and their mitochondrial dna dominating the groups they find - sounds like a really interesting story, and I wonder how rare that is vs the typical Y chromosome one - I'd assume we have like 1 example of that for every 10 Y ones, but would be really interested to hear otherwise.
When I read this part it seems he doesn’t actually think there is evidence that the latter is actually happening but is unable to say that for politically correct reasons. Like he will say all this stuff about modern biases of male dominance not always being the case but then he will describe what the genetic evidence shows and it is completely incongruent with female choice, female emigration, or any kind of matriarchal culture and is completely consistent with a group of men slaughtering all the males and impregnating all the females but he cannot expressly say this, you need to read between the lines.
Rereading, I think you're right. I was initially interpreting this line:
"Females from farmers and females from Yamnaya are being absorbed into the Corded Ware community. Then they expand further."
As those Yamnaya / farmer females mitochondrial DNA expanding and taking a larger fraction of the Corded Ware people's mitochondrial genome share, but in context, it seems more likely the expansion was the usual "Corded Ware males go and slaughter more people and take their lands and women."
The pushback from India is over the long-standing European notion that Aryans/Yamnaya/Corded Ware people invaded the subcontinent. The data instead indicates that this is exactly what happened in Western Europe where there was near complete male replacement and there is 50% steppe contribution. However, instead of facing the implications of this for Western Europeans, it gets projected onto India where other male haplotypes are still existent and the steppe contribution is smaller and there is no evidence for an invasion.
There is also an underlying implication being foisted; that the Hindu civilization is therefore a foreign imposition. However, this civilization, like those of the Greek, Roman, and Persian civilizations, rose after the steppe nomads mixed with people’s from earlier pre-existing urban civilizations in the respective lands. It grew indigenously, and its places of importance are all local.
If you read his book (which is great and I highly recommend), it seems like he really seems to play down a lot of gender splits like this in his results summarizations, likely because they're the ones that engender the most pushback and cultural outrage, with India being a particular example.
But I agree, I think the per-gender splits are the most interesting part, because it definitely seems the median case is Y chromosome replacement - some group of men with better technology and / or a better war cultural package roll in and slaughter all the men and breed with all the remaining women.
I particularly wish he'd gone more into some of the evidence around him saying there's signs of groups of women migrating and their mitochondrial dna dominating the groups they find - sounds like a really interesting story, and I wonder how rare that is vs the typical Y chromosome one - I'd assume we have like 1 example of that for every 10 Y ones, but would be really interested to hear otherwise.
When I read this part it seems he doesn’t actually think there is evidence that the latter is actually happening but is unable to say that for politically correct reasons. Like he will say all this stuff about modern biases of male dominance not always being the case but then he will describe what the genetic evidence shows and it is completely incongruent with female choice, female emigration, or any kind of matriarchal culture and is completely consistent with a group of men slaughtering all the males and impregnating all the females but he cannot expressly say this, you need to read between the lines.
Rereading, I think you're right. I was initially interpreting this line:
"Females from farmers and females from Yamnaya are being absorbed into the Corded Ware community. Then they expand further."
As those Yamnaya / farmer females mitochondrial DNA expanding and taking a larger fraction of the Corded Ware people's mitochondrial genome share, but in context, it seems more likely the expansion was the usual "Corded Ware males go and slaughter more people and take their lands and women."
The pushback from India is over the long-standing European notion that Aryans/Yamnaya/Corded Ware people invaded the subcontinent. The data instead indicates that this is exactly what happened in Western Europe where there was near complete male replacement and there is 50% steppe contribution. However, instead of facing the implications of this for Western Europeans, it gets projected onto India where other male haplotypes are still existent and the steppe contribution is smaller and there is no evidence for an invasion.
There is also an underlying implication being foisted; that the Hindu civilization is therefore a foreign imposition. However, this civilization, like those of the Greek, Roman, and Persian civilizations, rose after the steppe nomads mixed with people’s from earlier pre-existing urban civilizations in the respective lands. It grew indigenously, and its places of importance are all local.